tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post6235665179827190563..comments2023-10-10T14:43:29.795-04:00Comments on Brooklynguy's Wine and Food Blog: By the Glass - Burgundy Complaints EditionBrooklynguyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16321573602782343974noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-50601028082764867522009-05-12T09:29:00.000-04:002009-05-12T09:29:00.000-04:00Just want to let you know that dark fruit and flor...Just want to let you know that dark fruit and floral aromas with some spices are trademark vosne romanee. In fact if you look up the attributes indicative of a vosne romanee in the new sotheby's wine encyclopedia, it will say blackberry fruit with fine aromatic qualities reminiscent of violets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-46682256612826329542009-04-28T21:32:00.000-04:002009-04-28T21:32:00.000-04:00Well, there is that issue of curiosity. But you'r...Well, there is that issue of curiosity. But you're right. I'm sure I'll get a chance at some point.<br /><br />I am definitely a part of the wine business: like you, I gather, as a consumer. I teach French history and am on leave this year. Lyon was for research.Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254237968195126520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-45340969116632945172009-04-28T21:30:00.000-04:002009-04-28T21:30:00.000-04:00There's a their that should be they're. I'm a litt...There's a their that should be they're. I'm a little OCD.Director, Lab Outreachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10624832393197386064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-77774760283906643432009-04-28T20:59:00.000-04:002009-04-28T20:59:00.000-04:00hi cliff - you know, why rush out for Pacalet? you...hi cliff - you know, why rush out for Pacalet? you clearly know what you're doing - you'll either taste the wines somewhere or a friend will open a bottle. they are awfully expensive to go in on blind. why are you in Lyon, by the way? are you involved in wine business somehow?<br /><br />JD - transport even with sulfur is a real issue. why surprised about the comments on this topic? i think your proof reading is top notche.Brooklynguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16321573602782343974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-71113010787937292242009-04-24T18:52:00.000-04:002009-04-24T18:52:00.000-04:00I need some serious help with proof-reading... (st...I need some serious help with proof-reading... (stecrem)Director, Lab Outreachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10624832393197386064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-11855807125601049772009-04-24T18:50:00.000-04:002009-04-24T18:50:00.000-04:00Less like sitting around a wine bar now, and more ...Less like sitting around a wine bar now, and more like our own private bulletin board. I think it's interesting that this topic produced so much... interest.<br /><br />I think the no sulfur and transport is a REAL issue. I think it's Joly's problem as well. Or rather MY problem when I buy his chenins - which I've reluctantly stopped doing. <br /><br />There's two Courtois. Father and son. Based on a few different bottles, I'd say their both a little crazy. The father is crazy crazy. But I find the son to be crazy interesting. But they both suffer from the same no sulfur philosophy equals bottle variability equation. And the Dad must have a very high threshold for brett; how else to explain some his releases.<br /><br />(ingnesso)Director, Lab Outreachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10624832393197386064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-63725788260209613042009-04-24T14:48:00.000-04:002009-04-24T14:48:00.000-04:00I really should break down and try Pacalet. They ...I really should break down and try Pacalet. They just seem to be priced at least an appellation above my threshold whenever I've come close -- that is, I might pay x for a nice premier, and they're asking that or more for villages. I have thing about having a producer's pride and joy from an overlooked plot, rather than the village wine of a more famous maker. This approach, I realize, is not entirely consistent or rational. But it is what it is. Not quite appellationism, but something like it. If they come down a bit, I will definitely bite.<br /><br />Angerville is probably the producer most responsible for my Burgundy problem.<br /><br />I agree that transport is hard on wine and all the more so with minimally messed-with versions. I spend a fair amount of time in France -- I'm in Lyon now -- and, even here, from reputable shops who take care of storage, I've had wildly variable Puzelat. I think it goes with the territory. When they're on, they are lovely. Like you, I'm less taken with Courtois, and most of my bottles have been in France.Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254237968195126520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-18268113845749820002009-04-24T14:34:00.000-04:002009-04-24T14:34:00.000-04:00hi michael powers, and welcome. i agree on 04 - me...hi michael powers, and welcome. i agree on 04 - medicore reputation but the jury is still out. for me, in practice, i haven't loved the wines. but i haven't yet had the ones i plan on cellaring (mugnier, fourrier). we'll see. <br /><br />cliff - interesting on puzelat and courtois. i have been told that puzelat's wines are SO MUCH better in france, before shipping. they are un or low sulfured, and are easily messed with via transport. i imagine this leads to lots of variability, which I have experienced for sure. Courtois, as you say, i just don't get. but again, i hear that in france the wines are quite good. <br /><br />i'm with you on fourrier, don't have any d'angerville experience to speak of, although i did buy one bottle of the 06 fremiers just so i don't stay totally ignorant. by the way, the 07 pacalets were gorgeous. if prices drop a bit, i'd say they're a good value.Brooklynguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16321573602782343974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-66664638187925380792009-04-24T00:28:00.000-04:002009-04-24T00:28:00.000-04:00I've only just had my first off bottle of Baudey r...I've only just had my first off bottle of Baudey recently. It hurt b/c I paid up for an older version, but, in general, I agree. But wines from Puzelat, which can be great, can also get funky. For me, Courtois has been more funky than not.<br /><br />On chasing Burgundy, alas, I've had to stop, at least for now. In 2005, I bought two bottles of Angerville's Taillepieds and a very few of Fourrier's less exalted wines. He is making wine right in my stylistic sweet spot. In days of yore, I chased the odd bottle of Roumier, Dujac, Mugnier, and Rousseau. But not for awhile. I am sure I would love Pacalet, but I can't swallow the prices asked and am trying not to develop any more bad habbits. It does seem that Angerville may be coming back within reach.<br /><br />Best,<br />CliffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-82198039799455728032009-04-23T19:27:00.000-04:002009-04-23T19:27:00.000-04:00Hey, new poster/reader here. I too am a burg chas...Hey, new poster/reader here. I too am a burg chaser, and like all I have my tales of the minefield. Thanks for giving me some producers to try out though. As for '04 I still think that the jury is out. Take a producer like Gouges -who I love - and most people hate his '04's, but I have had a couple that rock, and a couple that maybe show that green streak, but maybe I shouldn't even be drinking that now, so I put the rest down for a decade, because its Gouges. Maybe only time will tell there. In any case, with the risk in '04 being higher than ever, followed by the ballyhooed '05, I find that you can get some pretty nice '04's for really good prices, which maybe makes it worth the risk on aging. <br /><br />Thanks!Michael Powersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-60133382963345834492009-04-23T18:56:00.000-04:002009-04-23T18:56:00.000-04:00tista - it was his first vintage and i liked the 0...tista - it was his first vintage and i liked the 07s very much too. and who knows whether or not the 05 bourgogne will wear its oak well sometime down the road? what you say about tannins - you mean under-ripe tannins in 2004? makes sense i guess.<br /><br />hey cliff - but pacalet is so good, profound on a different level from what i've had from lafouge (who i LOVE) and dureuil-janthial. but yes, prices are double to begin with. i'm so curious to know the expensive stuff you chase...and on the loire, the stuff i drink seems more consistent than the Burg stuff i drink. and when i get a bad bottle of Baudry, it hurts, but i spend $30 on the top bottle.Brooklynguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16321573602782343974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-6792675654059975802009-04-23T15:19:00.000-04:002009-04-23T15:19:00.000-04:00Speaking of variability, I'd have to say the Loire...Speaking of variability, I'd have to say the Loire is more variable, given a much higher per capita hipster population. The Côtes d'Or is just too expensive for that kind of experimentation.Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254237968195126520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-37494000677753455252009-04-23T14:27:00.000-04:002009-04-23T14:27:00.000-04:00Sorry to hear about the uneven results. I have st...Sorry to hear about the uneven results. I have stayed away from Pacalet based on price. I always thought of ash as a wood thing, but I honestly don't know.<br /><br />I have never had less than terrific wine from Dureuil-Janthial or Lafouge. They make me wonder why I chase more expensive bottles.Cliffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254237968195126520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-80291683423312633462009-04-23T06:09:00.000-04:002009-04-23T06:09:00.000-04:00Hey,
Concerning your Domaine des Croix 2005 commen...Hey,<br />Concerning your Domaine des Croix 2005 comment.<br />This was, I think, his first vintage? So bit too much oak could be blamed on the excitement of starting off with these vineyards in a vinage like 2005.<br />Generally I am extremely impressed with the 06 and 07's.<br /><br />Regarding Jeremy Seysses's very notable comment. I validate your transcript of his theory that vintages like 2007 (or 2006) take better to oak than riper vintages, but I don't think that this applies to vintages that are lighter in tannin, like 2004 don't you think?Tistanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-27747086330657588102009-04-22T19:46:00.000-04:002009-04-22T19:46:00.000-04:00hi guys! it's like we're sitting around together y...hi guys! it's like we're sitting around together yakking in a wine bar or something. Mike - this is just s complaints edition. don't get me wrong, it's mostly all love for Burgundy. And i'm actually getting better at risk reduction too, so my splurge bottles of the last two years should be better than those before them. toss your wallet, you know you want to. and cheers to lafouge. i have one bottle of 81 LdH - keep your fingers crossed for me.<br /><br />McDee - merely one bottle, so it is true that the wine could be better than what i drank. i hope it is. <br /><br />JD - i agree - we have to expect variation in wine, it's like a living thing and it's moody. but when wines are rare and pricey, it hurts even more (not like i'm drinking the rare or the pricey ones, but still). don't you find Burgundy to be more of a crapshoot than other places? and be careful about listening to me. you might like that Lafarge wine. i'm definitely trying more Dureuil-Janthial, which i'm not sure that i pronounce correctly. but i do pronounce Rully correctly. Like 'Bully," right? jesting, merely jesting. and nice word verification.Brooklynguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16321573602782343974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-86167137720268229362009-04-22T18:55:00.000-04:002009-04-22T18:55:00.000-04:00I think there's some interesting cultural/philosop...I think there's some interesting cultural/philosophical currents running underneath this along the lines of we go to farmer's markets for food but we buy wine shipped across the Atlantic and/or don't we have to expect some bottle variation in this price-range for wines made at that distance from our table given global transportation realities... but I'm too jet lagged to make much sense about any of it.<br /><br />So instead I'll just say, I was amused to read this post just after I saw a 2001 Lafarge Clos du Château des Ducs at winebid.com. As is my habit, I checked the CT notes before making a bid. Your notes talked me out of placing one!<br /><br />Also, while Dureuil-Janthial is hard to say, I've had great luck with this producer. Most of the holdings are in "lesser" villages (Rully, Mercury) but I think Vincent Dureuil is a great winemaker and super serious about his vineyard work. We drank a few of his Rully (also tricky to pronounce) wines last time in Burgundy and they were fantastic, drinking way above their price point. Maybe it's the thick glass in the D-J bottles, but I've found them to be consistently good.<br /><br />Nice post.<br /><br />JD<br /><br />(flasteri)Director, Lab Outreachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10624832393197386064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-89374064409295581262009-04-22T16:55:00.000-04:002009-04-22T16:55:00.000-04:00Hey Neil,
Have you tried multiple bottles of the '...Hey Neil,<br />Have you tried multiple bottles of the '06 LeClerc Bourgogne or just one? I'm curious as my experience with the '05 was more like yours with the '06 (than yours with the '05). It makes me wonder whether it may be a question of bottle variation (or damage as I suspected with my '05) rather than vintage expression. Then again, maybe I'm just over thinking things....David McDuffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03274955351036700406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-61497495742448126422009-04-21T23:41:00.000-04:002009-04-21T23:41:00.000-04:00Case study in why I rarely toss my wallet towards ...Case study in why I rarely toss my wallet towards Burgundy. The bottle variation on the Pacalet has to be particularly frustrating (a factor not limited to Burgundy; Heredia's reds can show similar variation, from slightly tired to spectacular). <br /><br />The Lafouge note is very useful to me, as I have two of their '05 1er crus sleeping now -- thanks a lot.Wicker Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15976225032244371755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-33589023607657763832009-04-21T18:57:00.000-04:002009-04-21T18:57:00.000-04:00hey ned - could be, but this was different from wh...hey ned - could be, but this was different from what i know sulfur to smell like. and yes, money...money. but you know from reading this blog that i enjoy burgundy very much. it's just variable and potentially quite frustrating, that's all.<br /><br />anon - i don't know what happened for you, but i just tested it an it works fine. try again?Brooklynguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16321573602782343974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-55839040262448702742009-04-21T18:09:00.000-04:002009-04-21T18:09:00.000-04:00tried to subscribe to your "blog by email", howeve...tried to subscribe to your "blog by email", however says link is broken?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-29907096382127704242009-04-21T16:29:00.000-04:002009-04-21T16:29:00.000-04:00Isn't the ashtray "aroma" a sulphur issue? That's ...Isn't the ashtray "aroma" a sulphur issue? That's my impression, and I suppose eventually (years) it dissipates. I think sometimes people call it "barrel char" which is understandable but actually not the case.<br /><br />What seems to be most overlooked with regard to Burgundy are two things that you need lots of in order to mitigate frustration, time and money, the more of those things you have and the less worried about them you are, the more able you will be to enjoy Burgundy, IMO.nedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02070097976314044162noreply@blogger.com