tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post971475513728978682..comments2023-10-10T14:43:29.795-04:00Comments on Brooklynguy's Wine and Food Blog: Don't Completely Trust Yourself at TastingsBrooklynguyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16321573602782343974noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-50409823211349998562010-01-14T21:27:09.920-05:002010-01-14T21:27:09.920-05:00Tista!! happy new year to you too, my friend.Tista!! happy new year to you too, my friend.Brooklynguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16321573602782343974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-84030297501838425662010-01-14T09:50:07.264-05:002010-01-14T09:50:07.264-05:00We are often too quick to judge a wine on first ta...We are often too quick to judge a wine on first taste, even when we spend time on it.<br /><br />Whether the origin of standard deviation we observe be human, environmental, technological, lunar or astral (my favorite), one thing is for sure : <br />The more we taste the more our preconceptions are humbled.<br /><br />All the best to you in the New Year my dear,Tistanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-88923230441367871232010-01-10T10:00:54.909-05:002010-01-10T10:00:54.909-05:00That's an interesting point Beau. If i ran a r...That's an interesting point Beau. If i ran a retail shoppe or wine bar I would have to approach these tastings differently. here's what i hope I would be doing: I would already know the wines, so in tasting new vintages I would be trying to understand the characteristics of the wine in the new vintage. when tasting a wine that's new to me i would be trying to learn as much about that wine as possible during the tasting, which i very difficult. i might be on target in my assessment, i might not. which makes it risky to buy cases for the store or bar. it would be better to drink a bottle at home first. so maybe the approach isn't that different in the end.Brooklynguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16321573602782343974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-82968977448060494722010-01-10T09:39:44.802-05:002010-01-10T09:39:44.802-05:00I think maybe we're forgetting the main purpos...I think maybe we're forgetting the main purpose of an industry or portfolio tasting: quickly evaluate many wines in order to determine what to provide for your customers. Retail buyers for selective and not tiny shops don't have the time to take every bottle home and drink it with dinner before it goes on the shelf. So a big part of the job is being able to make judgments based on a taste or two, it's not easy and even the best make mistakes. An industry tasting is work, or should be, and is more difficult when you have to elbow through people who come for cocktail hour(no one on this blog I'm sure). They're also helpful to let me know what not to spend money on. But I would never say I've "had" a wine simply since I tasted it at a tasting.<br /><br />I've tasted '06 Rousseau Clos St. Jacques several times, I've never had it.Beaunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-45403144101506205602010-01-08T16:51:42.878-05:002010-01-08T16:51:42.878-05:00My insight to share is, don't generalize! Appr...My insight to share is, don't generalize! Approach every wine with an OPEN MIND whether it's old or new world, oaked or unoaked, from Chambers St. or the grocery store. Even if you've tasted it before and thought it was crap, taste it again! Way too many preconceptions and prejudices in this world of wine that we live in...Suzynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-24144113947779740932010-01-08T15:40:25.365-05:002010-01-08T15:40:25.365-05:00thanks all for the comments.
@ the Wine Mule - I...thanks all for the comments. <br /><br />@ the Wine Mule - I'm not sure I understand your comment exactly. You say: "...any Chinon or Bourgeuil that calls attention to itself is something of a failure. These are (in my old fogey opinion) supposed to be wines that accompany food." <br /><br />Why are these things mutually exclusive? Can't a Chinon be a great wine and also go with food? Although I might have preferred duck or something like that, we had this bottle with tofu and winter radishes, and fried rice, and it was awesome.Brooklynguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16321573602782343974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-15049346134447363462010-01-08T15:10:38.885-05:002010-01-08T15:10:38.885-05:00Neil and the crew,
Tasted this at the same dressne...Neil and the crew,<br />Tasted this at the same dressner event- and not surprisingly found it less then amazing; but have tasted bottles of the 90 several times since and enjoyed them over a period of time . . . with a meal; and good company. Wine is always much better that way. <br /><br />I think that you have to try them, even if its not a perfect showing (imagine tasting gravner at those same tastings . . . can you get into it there??). But drinking them in a real situation in better. I think it's hard to know, and sometimes you have to guess. sometimes the bottles really show up- though for me that mostly happens with younger wines (I did love the Minervois d'opuia barons 89 that we tasted last year; among others at that tasting).<br />Cheers,<br />BEnThe Bloggers @ 67 Winehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403544592089981923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-86474459663770563792010-01-08T12:38:53.649-05:002010-01-08T12:38:53.649-05:00Neil, can you drop me an email? dhonig AT palatepr...Neil, can you drop me an email? dhonig AT palatepress DOT com<br /><br />I couldn't find contact info.<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />David HonigPalate Presshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08720116138112816756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-58325512674754726652010-01-08T10:02:53.342-05:002010-01-08T10:02:53.342-05:00I agree that tastings are a difficult venue - afte...I agree that tastings are a difficult venue - after all, how many times in your daily life do you drink wine with wine? I virtually always drink it with food and that is usually over the course of an hour or more.<br />Industry tastings are skewed for me; the wines that stand out are those that were made to stand out. Subtle doesn't sell in such a setting.<br />And the 'no great wines only great bottles' idea is also something I agree with. Especially among producers who are not trying for MacDonalds-like uniformity.<br />Best, JimFlorida Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425683028082383050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-54835881902936987642010-01-08T02:25:40.783-05:002010-01-08T02:25:40.783-05:00"when this wine shows well, it's great. B..."when this wine shows well, it's great. But not every bottle is great."<br /><br />Is this not the most frustrating thing about wine?!<br /><br />- Says he has 6 bottles of the 1989King Krak, Who Drinks The Winehttp://www.forkandbottle.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-82359724966498457322010-01-07T22:14:42.597-05:002010-01-07T22:14:42.597-05:00Now just '89 but '02 and '05 are avail...Now just '89 but '02 and '05 are availableTWGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02592548268341500443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-5433185706320435162010-01-07T22:01:44.527-05:002010-01-07T22:01:44.527-05:00As well all know, there are no great vintages, onl...As well all know, there are no great vintages, only great bottles. At the same time, I have to say that any Chinon or Bourgeuil that calls attention to itself is something of a failure. These are (in my old fogey opinion) supposed to be wines that accompany food. For example: As much as I admire the intensity and focus of Marc Plouzeau's 2005 Bonneliere Chinon, I greatly prefer the James Petit Cuvèe des Gallucher "Tradition" 2007, for its modesty. I know celebrating a wine for its modesty is seriously anachronistic, and I'm kinda embarrassed to admit it, but what can you do.The Wine Mulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13056199373110048787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-43167654118041191902010-01-07T21:27:54.219-05:002010-01-07T21:27:54.219-05:00This is available at Chambers St. right now for an...This is available at Chambers St. right now for anybody interested. I saw it there last week, thought about buying it, and past on it.....Can always go back.Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-54228323466677768392010-01-07T17:02:57.122-05:002010-01-07T17:02:57.122-05:00Great post. Big industry tastings have their place...Great post. Big industry tastings have their place but it's really unfair to the wines and the tasters too. Wine is a funny and magical thing.Michael Amendolahttp://windsorwinewire.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-49544494709313189072010-01-07T12:51:45.066-05:002010-01-07T12:51:45.066-05:00I wonder about both bottle and human elements. Br...I wonder about both bottle and human elements. Brett is known to cause bottle variation. And small differences in corks will also lead to big differences over long time periods.<br /><br />Do wines change as much as humans change during tasting? I specifically wonder about Brett funk since one's nose may well compensate for the aroma. The same might be said for acid where the mouth buffers against it. Or with tannin where it accumulates.<br /><br />I guess I reach the same conclusion: take it one bottle at a time, slowly and patiently.Cabfrancophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10408854685852702400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-74338056287662002032010-01-07T11:34:08.429-05:002010-01-07T11:34:08.429-05:00such a good point: tastings generally work against...such a good point: tastings generally work against our palates and force us to experience wine in the entirely wrong context and environment... <br /><br />and wow, that wine... I've only ever tasted back to the 95 and 90... <br /><br />great post...Do Bianchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12744434741371288465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3799854524070158890.post-31692684675769486112010-01-07T11:09:18.789-05:002010-01-07T11:09:18.789-05:00Interesting comments on industry tasting's.
Lo...Interesting comments on industry tasting's.<br />Love Cab franc, such an under-rated varietal.Vinogirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10145696108646897751noreply@blogger.com